Hola, he estado leyendo sobre los acuarios marinos, y me gustaría armar uno, siendo muy proyecto ambicioso me gustaría saber cuales son sus recomendaciones:
El acuario tendría 96Lts., de medidas 80x40x35, me gustaría saber que iluminación es la que recomiendan que implementos (qué skimmer sería el ideal etc), además qué peces e invertebrados recomiendan para empezar en este hobby. Me gustaría que me dijeran el "paso a paso" para armar un marino en el cual los peces estén bien.
Bueno, muuuuchas gracias... 8-[
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hce_........que bueno que te intereses por el Area Marina del Acuarismo.....pero antes que nada te invito a leer la abundante cantidad de Articulos y Post que existen en este Foro y en AcuaristasdeChile.. \:D/ creo que muchas de tus dudas se aclararan......lo primero es leer.....leer......leer...... \:D/ y despues ves que es lo que definitivamente quieres tener.......y veremos como te cooperamos......te parece? \:D/
SERGIÑO escribió:hce_........que bueno que te intereses por el Area Marina del Acuarismo.....pero antes que nada te invito a leer la abundante cantidad de Articulos y Post que existen en este Foro y en AcuaristasdeChile.. \:D/ creo que muchas de tus dudas se aclararan......lo primero es leer.....leer......leer...... \:D/ y despues ves que es lo que definitivamente quieres tener.......y veremos como te cooperamos......te parece? \:D/
muy de acuerdo, cuando tengas claro lo que quieres nos dices para ayudarte...cariños
He pensado tener un payaso alguna damisela azul creo que se llama y otra que es negra con un punto negro, que desconozco su nombre, tb. pienso poner roca viva (cuantos kilos), qué skimmer me recomiendan uno que sea bueno pero no taaaaan caro, la caja sería sin sump, y alguna que otra esponja, quizas alguna almeja... Me gustaría que me dijeran que luz me recomiendan, si son fluorescentes de 60cms. (20 watts)(con los que partiría) o PL's o HQI a los cuales pretendo llegar algún día, además de los cabezales y su potencia y si es necesario algún filtro aparte(onda uno interno o externo)... bueno eso es, si hay más dudas que no haya respondido me dicen para ir más o menos diciendo que es lo que quiero... muuuuchas gracias por sus consejos acuaristicos...=)
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Si vas a tener solo Peces......cual es tu "urgencia" con el Skimmer?.... #-o ........la R.Viva...... #-o .........en todo caso me da la "impreción" que la recomendación que te dimos(leer......leer...)no las ha tomado muy en cta...........por tus consultas.......digo yo?........en los Peces se mas especifico......hay paginas muy buenas(Dr. Pez)donde veras los mismos...su forma......colorido.......y sus nombres...... \:D/ \:D/
Damicela Zaul:Pomancetrus philippinus
Negra con punto blanco:Dacyllus albisella
Damicela Zaul:Pomancetrus philippinus
Negra con punto blanco:Dacyllus albisella
mi idea es tener peces y algunas almejas y esponjas... por eso necesito recomendacions, cuantos kilos de roca viva??? si es necesario un skimmer o no??? y si lo es cual me recomiendan, unos 4 peces a lo sumo... esas son mis consultas... y si el tamaño del acuario está bien para la cantidad de peces...
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hce_ escribió: algunas almejas y esponjas... por eso necesito recomendacions,
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Las Almejas son Especies Filtradoras.......por lo tanto mantenerlas en un Acuario es "MUY DIFICIL"........tienes que tener una gran población de Zooplackton para su alimentación.......al igual que las Esponjas..... [-X [-X sino "irremediablemente" practicamente se te moriran de hambre!!!! ](*,) ](*,) ahora bien debes definir que quieres hacer y cual es tu disponibilidad de gasto......antes de que recomendemos algo....... \:D/ \:D/ .....te insisto.......has leido los Post que hay en AcuaristasdeChile y aca?????........en uno de esos se menciona y se recomienda no tener especies filtradoras(almejas)........... \:D/
he leido los de dr. pez y varios de acuaristasdechile y algunos de acá...
La disponibilidad de gasto la veo como una inversion a largo plazo haciendo prioridad en el ambiente antes que en los ocupantes, por eso quería saber en qué oreden voi comprando las cosas, qué tunos FL sirven por mientras... etc
La disponibilidad de gasto la veo como una inversion a largo plazo haciendo prioridad en el ambiente antes que en los ocupantes, por eso quería saber en qué oreden voi comprando las cosas, qué tunos FL sirven por mientras... etc
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compadre, si tienes duda entre un acuario de solo peces o solo arrrecife, leete esto ( voy a cortar y pegar)
"Fish Only" vs. "Reef Only"—What's the Difference?
By Eric Borneman
The question is a good one.
For many years, internet message boards have offered a choice of topics in terms of "marine" or "reef" categories. It has long been thought that there are two basic categories of marine aquaria—those which are established to keep marine fish alive and those which support reef fauna. Typically, marine "fish only" systems are aquaria that utilize various types of chemical, mechanical and biological filtration to support the lives of tropical marine fish. The tank itself generally consists of a mostly void water column with decorative dead coral pieces and occasionally a decorative crushed coral-type substrate. These were, in fact, the progenitors of today's more natural reef aquaria. Reef aquaria, on the other hand, usually employ live rock and perhaps live sand within the aquarium itself. The live rock is often coupled with various devices such as protein skimmers, powerheads, and strong lighting to sustain the photosynthetic invertebrates that become part of a mixed invertebrate and fish display. The use of other means of filtration, once common, is now deemed largely unnecessary.
Many aquarists still fear or opt against "going reef," because they erroneously believe that the cost, effort, and complexity of the system is beyond their reach. While this may be true in some cases, and while the desire to maintain photosynthetic corals and invertebrates may not be a goal of an aquarist, the question arises as to whether such a separation of system types is any longer valid.
Typical marine "fish only" aquaria have a long history of problems. Between water quality problems, nuisance algae, and poor fish survivability, their reputation may in fact be deservedly tarnished. Indeed, the fish kept in these aquaria are commonly chosen for their "show" qualities. Inappropriate or difficult-to-maintain fish are crowded into unnatural environments simply because they look attractive. Very little care is provided in creating a natural low stress environment, yet great amounts of effort often go into devices and maintenance of systems designed primarily to protect some beautiful and often expensive investments. Fish retailers are consistently packed with large colorful angelfish, triggerfish, eels, sharks, rays, and other glorious animals whose destiny in captivity is likely to be a much reduced lifespan. Why does this happen?
Marine fish offered within the aquarium hobby are almost exclusively fish found on or near coral reefs. So, in essence, every marine aquaria is a "reef" tank. One aspect of coral reefs is their extremely high biodiversity. There are many species that inhabit a densely crowded area. Because of this, a basic ecological fact of biodiverse habitats is that there must be a great deal of specialization in terms of behavior and feeding habits of the life inhabiting such areas. Fish from coral reefs are no exception. They have sometimes extremely specific dietary needs or niche habitat needs that are rarely able to be met in captivity. For example, many buttterflyfish are specialized coral polyp eaters. Oxymonacanthus longisrostris, the beautiful spotted filefish, is an obligate consumer of coral polyps from the genera Acropora and Pocillopora. It is highly unlikely that this fish will live longer than a few weeks without this expensive and difficult to provide diet. Yet, many of these fish are routinely offered at fish retail and wholesale facilities; a continuing effort by the trade to prey off the ignorance of the consumer and hobby populace.
Given the specialization of coral reef fish, it only seems apparent that the more natural and realistic the aquaria habitat which is provided, the more naturally the fish can interact with and behave in their captive environment. Their stress level will be lower, resulting in lowered incidence of disease. Their diet may be more easily supplemented by some natural grazing abilities from a more "reef-like" system. Furthermore, the methods of reef aquaria employing more natural means of filtration (live rock, live sand, refugia, etc.) have the additional benefit of providing higher quality water. This tends to result in less effort on the part of the aquarist, fewer problems with nuisance algae and disease, and a healthier environment for the inhabitants. Finally, a "near reef" system has the option of becoming a system that supports various invertebrates if so desired. The life already present on live rock will, over time, become quite reef-like in and of itself, and be quite beautiful—far more so that bleached coral skeletons which are ethically and ecologically unsound items that should not even be sold. With so many benefits of setting up a marine "fish only" tank as a reef-like aquaria employing reef techniques, the days of the "decorative coral, artificial, glass box full of fish" should rapidly be nearing an end. With proper investigation and efforts, even some of the typically hard to maintain species, such as eels, may be maintained in a system designed specifically to cater to their needs with good success.
Using reef techniques on marine "fish only" systems should not be intimidating. It is not difficult, more demanding, more complex, or even more expensive. I would recommend that using natural reef methods for all marine aquaria be the preferred method for both the success of the marine life, as well as the success of the aquarist.
Eric Borneman is the author of Aquarium Corals.
"Fish Only" vs. "Reef Only"—What's the Difference?
By Eric Borneman
The question is a good one.
For many years, internet message boards have offered a choice of topics in terms of "marine" or "reef" categories. It has long been thought that there are two basic categories of marine aquaria—those which are established to keep marine fish alive and those which support reef fauna. Typically, marine "fish only" systems are aquaria that utilize various types of chemical, mechanical and biological filtration to support the lives of tropical marine fish. The tank itself generally consists of a mostly void water column with decorative dead coral pieces and occasionally a decorative crushed coral-type substrate. These were, in fact, the progenitors of today's more natural reef aquaria. Reef aquaria, on the other hand, usually employ live rock and perhaps live sand within the aquarium itself. The live rock is often coupled with various devices such as protein skimmers, powerheads, and strong lighting to sustain the photosynthetic invertebrates that become part of a mixed invertebrate and fish display. The use of other means of filtration, once common, is now deemed largely unnecessary.
Many aquarists still fear or opt against "going reef," because they erroneously believe that the cost, effort, and complexity of the system is beyond their reach. While this may be true in some cases, and while the desire to maintain photosynthetic corals and invertebrates may not be a goal of an aquarist, the question arises as to whether such a separation of system types is any longer valid.
Typical marine "fish only" aquaria have a long history of problems. Between water quality problems, nuisance algae, and poor fish survivability, their reputation may in fact be deservedly tarnished. Indeed, the fish kept in these aquaria are commonly chosen for their "show" qualities. Inappropriate or difficult-to-maintain fish are crowded into unnatural environments simply because they look attractive. Very little care is provided in creating a natural low stress environment, yet great amounts of effort often go into devices and maintenance of systems designed primarily to protect some beautiful and often expensive investments. Fish retailers are consistently packed with large colorful angelfish, triggerfish, eels, sharks, rays, and other glorious animals whose destiny in captivity is likely to be a much reduced lifespan. Why does this happen?
Marine fish offered within the aquarium hobby are almost exclusively fish found on or near coral reefs. So, in essence, every marine aquaria is a "reef" tank. One aspect of coral reefs is their extremely high biodiversity. There are many species that inhabit a densely crowded area. Because of this, a basic ecological fact of biodiverse habitats is that there must be a great deal of specialization in terms of behavior and feeding habits of the life inhabiting such areas. Fish from coral reefs are no exception. They have sometimes extremely specific dietary needs or niche habitat needs that are rarely able to be met in captivity. For example, many buttterflyfish are specialized coral polyp eaters. Oxymonacanthus longisrostris, the beautiful spotted filefish, is an obligate consumer of coral polyps from the genera Acropora and Pocillopora. It is highly unlikely that this fish will live longer than a few weeks without this expensive and difficult to provide diet. Yet, many of these fish are routinely offered at fish retail and wholesale facilities; a continuing effort by the trade to prey off the ignorance of the consumer and hobby populace.
Given the specialization of coral reef fish, it only seems apparent that the more natural and realistic the aquaria habitat which is provided, the more naturally the fish can interact with and behave in their captive environment. Their stress level will be lower, resulting in lowered incidence of disease. Their diet may be more easily supplemented by some natural grazing abilities from a more "reef-like" system. Furthermore, the methods of reef aquaria employing more natural means of filtration (live rock, live sand, refugia, etc.) have the additional benefit of providing higher quality water. This tends to result in less effort on the part of the aquarist, fewer problems with nuisance algae and disease, and a healthier environment for the inhabitants. Finally, a "near reef" system has the option of becoming a system that supports various invertebrates if so desired. The life already present on live rock will, over time, become quite reef-like in and of itself, and be quite beautiful—far more so that bleached coral skeletons which are ethically and ecologically unsound items that should not even be sold. With so many benefits of setting up a marine "fish only" tank as a reef-like aquaria employing reef techniques, the days of the "decorative coral, artificial, glass box full of fish" should rapidly be nearing an end. With proper investigation and efforts, even some of the typically hard to maintain species, such as eels, may be maintained in a system designed specifically to cater to their needs with good success.
Using reef techniques on marine "fish only" systems should not be intimidating. It is not difficult, more demanding, more complex, or even more expensive. I would recommend that using natural reef methods for all marine aquaria be the preferred method for both the success of the marine life, as well as the success of the aquarist.
Eric Borneman is the author of Aquarium Corals.